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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 19:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Ted - Like Jordan, I also agree with you to a certain degree. However, I think what education may be doing shaping the way kids think thereby creating certain world views. 

When I was growing up, our exams at the end of each term rated us depending on how many were in our class. There was no &#039;we&#039;re all winners&#039; approach. You were first, second, third etc. out of a class of X-number of students. These results weren&#039;t private either - your entire class knew. The result was a student who was (right or wrong) very driven to understand what they were taught and get the best possible grades. 

We studied things like logical self-defense to improve analytical skills and make solid logical arguments, had debates to learn how to put across our point of view, worked on complicated math problems WITHOUT calculators (do you recall the trigonometry books?), studied Greek mythology and Shakespeare....all this before 16 or 17. 

I&#039;m not saying we were raised to mouth off to teachers and such. But we were being trained how to see the forest from the trees in many respects, while also learning when/where would be the appropriate time to address it. Yes, sometimes we can smell BS but knowing how to handle it is also a soft-skill that many don&#039;t have today.

Compare that to the fact that today I&#039;m baffled by the fact that most teens can&#039;t function without a calculator. They&#039;re learning fractions that I covered in grade three in grade 10! They&#039;re afraid to speak up in class because of &#039;looking stupid&#039; in front of their classmates...when did learning equal knowing all the right answers? When I didn&#039;t get an assignment done, there were consequences, like calls to my parents from school, punishment at school and then at home. Today, we have gum popping and &quot;I didn&#039;t get a chance to do it&quot;. 

And teachers, they have no control over these classes anyway in terms of discipline....unless they want a lawsuit. So they turn to drugs. I have a nephew who had to be transferred out of his school because teachers tried to force his parents to put him on Ritalin for ADHD. This is a boy who is now at the top of his class in university, loves classical music and art. What he needed was to be challenged, not bored to death and held back. It was part of the &#039;we&#039;re all winners&#039; bit. 

The downside is the youth today are being dumbed-down, drugged out, deprived of analytical thinking skills and forced more into running with the pack - don&#039;t shake the boat. They&#039;re being told they can have designer items like the stars but they aren&#039;t taught how to earn, manage, save or invest money to get these things. 

The lists are endless, but the end result is the same. Kids coming out with a lack of morals, lack of morale and lack of common sense to step back, look at the big question and ask...why? These are minds that are more easily nudged into any category you need them to be.

And just to clarify, it&#039;s not like I&#039;m 60 or 70....I&#039;m not even in my 40s yet! And that&#039;s what terrifies me the most. That I can see such a dramatic change in how my mind was (once again, right or wrong) molded compared to the minds coming out today. My education may not have been perfect, but it instilled in me the foundation of questioning, analyzing, being a leader rather than follower, but if following - analyze the hell out of the leader first to ensure they don&#039;t lead me down the garden path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ted &#8211; Like Jordan, I also agree with you to a certain degree. However, I think what education may be doing shaping the way kids think thereby creating certain world views. </p>
<p>When I was growing up, our exams at the end of each term rated us depending on how many were in our class. There was no &#8216;we&#8217;re all winners&#8217; approach. You were first, second, third etc. out of a class of X-number of students. These results weren&#8217;t private either &#8211; your entire class knew. The result was a student who was (right or wrong) very driven to understand what they were taught and get the best possible grades. </p>
<p>We studied things like logical self-defense to improve analytical skills and make solid logical arguments, had debates to learn how to put across our point of view, worked on complicated math problems WITHOUT calculators (do you recall the trigonometry books?), studied Greek mythology and Shakespeare&#8230;.all this before 16 or 17. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying we were raised to mouth off to teachers and such. But we were being trained how to see the forest from the trees in many respects, while also learning when/where would be the appropriate time to address it. Yes, sometimes we can smell BS but knowing how to handle it is also a soft-skill that many don&#8217;t have today.</p>
<p>Compare that to the fact that today I&#8217;m baffled by the fact that most teens can&#8217;t function without a calculator. They&#8217;re learning fractions that I covered in grade three in grade 10! They&#8217;re afraid to speak up in class because of &#8216;looking stupid&#8217; in front of their classmates&#8230;when did learning equal knowing all the right answers? When I didn&#8217;t get an assignment done, there were consequences, like calls to my parents from school, punishment at school and then at home. Today, we have gum popping and &#8220;I didn&#8217;t get a chance to do it&#8221;. </p>
<p>And teachers, they have no control over these classes anyway in terms of discipline&#8230;.unless they want a lawsuit. So they turn to drugs. I have a nephew who had to be transferred out of his school because teachers tried to force his parents to put him on Ritalin for ADHD. This is a boy who is now at the top of his class in university, loves classical music and art. What he needed was to be challenged, not bored to death and held back. It was part of the &#8216;we&#8217;re all winners&#8217; bit. </p>
<p>The downside is the youth today are being dumbed-down, drugged out, deprived of analytical thinking skills and forced more into running with the pack &#8211; don&#8217;t shake the boat. They&#8217;re being told they can have designer items like the stars but they aren&#8217;t taught how to earn, manage, save or invest money to get these things. </p>
<p>The lists are endless, but the end result is the same. Kids coming out with a lack of morals, lack of morale and lack of common sense to step back, look at the big question and ask&#8230;why? These are minds that are more easily nudged into any category you need them to be.</p>
<p>And just to clarify, it&#8217;s not like I&#8217;m 60 or 70&#8230;.I&#8217;m not even in my 40s yet! And that&#8217;s what terrifies me the most. That I can see such a dramatic change in how my mind was (once again, right or wrong) molded compared to the minds coming out today. My education may not have been perfect, but it instilled in me the foundation of questioning, analyzing, being a leader rather than follower, but if following &#8211; analyze the hell out of the leader first to ensure they don&#8217;t lead me down the garden path.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you to a point, but I think that you are also greatly overlooking some other important parts.  Specifically, you appear to be making a very large assumption that all the people that make up &quot;the Tea-Party&quot; believe this.  I cannot say whether they do or not, I don&#039;t presume to speak for them as I have no affiliation with them or any such groupings of people.  The point I wanted to make, is that you seem to be jumping to a conclusion based singularly on the education aspect (and though I agree with you that the video portrayed that poorly) I don&#039;t find it basis for judgment.  I don&#039;t doubt that you have other information coming in to make you draw those conclusions, but to go so far as to say that: &quot;This, and other similar “documentaries” are Trojan horses designed to shake up Libertarian-minded, (and similarly…), American People.&quot;  is false.  It&#039;s all just information and hearsay designed to get people interested and to get them to start doing their own research into the subject matter.  I do think that they should have a note at the start explaining that the information given is intended to spark curiosity and research into the subject matter.  The main problem (as I see it) is that not enough people do enough research after watching &quot;This, and other similar “documentaries”&quot;, similarly I think you might benefit by doing some of the same kind of research.

P.s. I feel it&#039;s necessary to define my definition of hearsay.  What I mean by hearsay is information that one has not received or experienced first hand.  eg. I have never read the operation Northwoods documents, thus any information I receive on that I consider hearsay until I can either prove or disprove it by reading those documents.

Be well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you to a point, but I think that you are also greatly overlooking some other important parts.  Specifically, you appear to be making a very large assumption that all the people that make up &#8220;the Tea-Party&#8221; believe this.  I cannot say whether they do or not, I don&#8217;t presume to speak for them as I have no affiliation with them or any such groupings of people.  The point I wanted to make, is that you seem to be jumping to a conclusion based singularly on the education aspect (and though I agree with you that the video portrayed that poorly) I don&#8217;t find it basis for judgment.  I don&#8217;t doubt that you have other information coming in to make you draw those conclusions, but to go so far as to say that: &#8220;This, and other similar “documentaries” are Trojan horses designed to shake up Libertarian-minded, (and similarly…), American People.&#8221;  is false.  It&#8217;s all just information and hearsay designed to get people interested and to get them to start doing their own research into the subject matter.  I do think that they should have a note at the start explaining that the information given is intended to spark curiosity and research into the subject matter.  The main problem (as I see it) is that not enough people do enough research after watching &#8220;This, and other similar “documentaries”&#8221;, similarly I think you might benefit by doing some of the same kind of research.</p>
<p>P.s. I feel it&#8217;s necessary to define my definition of hearsay.  What I mean by hearsay is information that one has not received or experienced first hand.  eg. I have never read the operation Northwoods documents, thus any information I receive on that I consider hearsay until I can either prove or disprove it by reading those documents.</p>
<p>Be well</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is absolute bullocks. I don&#039;t know one person that emerged from any school education as a Socialist, Atheist, or Collectivist simply because of their coursework. I am starting to see the roots of the Tea-Party&#039;s misguided logic. This, and other similar &quot;documentaries&quot; are Trojan horses designed to shake up Libertarian-minded, (and similarly...), American People.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is absolute bullocks. I don&#8217;t know one person that emerged from any school education as a Socialist, Atheist, or Collectivist simply because of their coursework. I am starting to see the roots of the Tea-Party&#8217;s misguided logic. This, and other similar &#8220;documentaries&#8221; are Trojan horses designed to shake up Libertarian-minded, (and similarly&#8230;), American People.</p>
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